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		<title>Comment on Bowens Creek North complete by Lotsafreshair</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/01/08/bowens-creek-north/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lotsafreshair]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another reason I love my Lumix FT3!  

Thanks for the report guys.

Cheers
Lotsafreshair]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another reason I love my Lumix FT3!  </p>
<p>Thanks for the report guys.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Lotsafreshair</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bowens Creek North complete by Dan Theman</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/01/08/bowens-creek-north/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Theman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[did he find a hat? i lost my hat in that pool a few years ago!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did he find a hat? i lost my hat in that pool a few years ago!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Koombanda Canyon on a rare sunny summer day by Barbara Cameron-Smith</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/02/16/koombanda-canyon/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Cameron-Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ta for encouragement but na! Having long since graduated from over the shoulder abseiling (ropes), cross carabiners, (eek) and eventually descenders, I would be tentative as all get out, especially as my exposure to big drops has long since evaporated (amazing how one acclimatises from mediocre to massive heights).

My greatest fear and thrill (in retrospect) was Danae Brook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ta for encouragement but na! Having long since graduated from over the shoulder abseiling (ropes), cross carabiners, (eek) and eventually descenders, I would be tentative as all get out, especially as my exposure to big drops has long since evaporated (amazing how one acclimatises from mediocre to massive heights).</p>
<p>My greatest fear and thrill (in retrospect) was Danae Brook.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Koombanda Canyon on a rare sunny summer day by Tim Vollmer</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/02/16/koombanda-canyon/#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Vollmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that Barbara. By the way, there&#039;s no need to stop! The guy who taught me to canyon is now in his 70&#039;s, and still going strong, and I know another guy who canyoned into his 80&#039;s!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Barbara. By the way, there&#8217;s no need to stop! The guy who taught me to canyon is now in his 70&#8242;s, and still going strong, and I know another guy who canyoned into his 80&#8242;s!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Koombanda Canyon on a rare sunny summer day by Barbara Cameron-Smith</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/02/16/koombanda-canyon/#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Cameron-Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a walker who skied, climbed, caved and canyoned in the 70s, so enjoy this post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a walker who skied, climbed, caved and canyoned in the 70s, so enjoy this post!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paradise found by weezmgk (@weezmgk)</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/01/12/paradise-found/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[weezmgk (@weezmgk)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 03:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Tim, thanks for the replies.

If this stuff isn&#039;t basalt, it&#039;s an odd sort of sandstone. It&#039;s much harder than the typical tan-coloured sandstone you find in the Blue Mountains plateau. This &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vnc.qld.edu.au/enviro/bluemtns/blue-a.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;case study&lt;/a&gt; identifies a &#039;basalt&#039; cap on Mt Hay (~7km NW from here); this layering appears remarkably similar to the geological construction of the rock formations in my &#039;back yard.&#039;

There&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=33%B043%274.89%22S,++150%B029%2738.00%22E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;spot &lt;/a&gt; about 75m beyond my back gate, where a ~150mm thick layer of gray, finely grained, very hard rock (which I previously identified as basalt as a result of the aforementioned Villanova case study), has eroded and has exposed the underlying sandstone. This is forming a &lt;a href=&quot;http://weezmgk.posterous.com/the-beginnings-of-a-new-cave-in-the-blue-moun-63423&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://weezmgk.posterous.com/the-beginnings-of-a-new-cave-in-the-blue-moun&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cave&lt;/a&gt;. If this capping layer is not basalt, but rather iron concentration in the sandstone, I&#039;m wondering why it&#039;s grey and not reddish.

All that aside, I need to offer a bit of advice on parking to reach the fire trail that leads to Paradise. Caley Lane does not have improved drainage, so the grassy area on the downhill side (across the street from the houses) of Caley Lane, where you folks and others have been parking of late, can become very soft &amp; muddy when we have had a lot of rain (and it&#039;s been nearly incessant recently). I had to hitch up a chain to my ute to pull out a visitor&#039;s car which had become stuck out of the grassy area the other day. Thank heavens the driver didn&#039;t just gun it and hope for traction, because that car would have gone sideways over the cliff &amp; likely have landed upside down on Glossop Road.

There is another &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=33%C2%B043%2713.50%22S+150%C2%B029%2736.58%22E&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hnear=0x6b12635ee8668069:0x3a5d6c6184729495,-33%C2%B0+43%27+16.58%22,+%2B150%C2%B0+29%27+34.52%22&amp;gl=au&amp;t=m&amp;z=14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;public access point&lt;/a&gt; to the fire trail which you can find about 30m west of the intersection of Tollgate Drive and Railway Parade. There is a large sandy clearing right at the mouth of the fire trail where there is room to park at least 4-5 cars. This spot is not prone to becoming muddy. It is public land, along a power line easement corridor, so no one will give you any grief for parking there. You can walk straight on to the fire trail without having to contend with the normally overgrown Caley&#039;s Repulse.

Also, since there&#039;s been an increase in the numbers of bushwalkers on the fire trail, I&#039;ve set up a WiFi access point in the back of my house (SSID DawesParkFreeWiFi) which will cover about 50m of the trail behind my house, for the use of anyone who needs it. 3G coverage up here is really poor, so please feel free to use it. You should find signal &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=+33%C2%B043%275.73%22S+150%C2%B029%2739.73%22E&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;sll=-33.71866,150.493351&amp;sspn=0.003284,0.004823&amp;gl=au&amp;t=m&amp;z=17&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right around here&lt;/a&gt;. There&#039;s no password required, but please be kind to my 200Gb/month data allowance. A couple of Gb per day for visitors should be fine.

Also, should you be a twitterer, you can find me @weezmgk.

Cheers,

Brian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim, thanks for the replies.</p>
<p>If this stuff isn&#8217;t basalt, it&#8217;s an odd sort of sandstone. It&#8217;s much harder than the typical tan-coloured sandstone you find in the Blue Mountains plateau. This <a href="http://www.vnc.qld.edu.au/enviro/bluemtns/blue-a.htm" rel="nofollow">case study</a> identifies a &#8216;basalt&#8217; cap on Mt Hay (~7km NW from here); this layering appears remarkably similar to the geological construction of the rock formations in my &#8216;back yard.&#8217;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a <a href="http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=33%B043%274.89%22S,++150%B029%2738.00%22E" rel="nofollow">spot </a> about 75m beyond my back gate, where a ~150mm thick layer of gray, finely grained, very hard rock (which I previously identified as basalt as a result of the aforementioned Villanova case study), has eroded and has exposed the underlying sandstone. This is forming a <a href="http://weezmgk.posterous.com/the-beginnings-of-a-new-cave-in-the-blue-moun-63423" rel="nofollow">new</a> <a href="http://weezmgk.posterous.com/the-beginnings-of-a-new-cave-in-the-blue-moun" rel="nofollow">cave</a>. If this capping layer is not basalt, but rather iron concentration in the sandstone, I&#8217;m wondering why it&#8217;s grey and not reddish.</p>
<p>All that aside, I need to offer a bit of advice on parking to reach the fire trail that leads to Paradise. Caley Lane does not have improved drainage, so the grassy area on the downhill side (across the street from the houses) of Caley Lane, where you folks and others have been parking of late, can become very soft &amp; muddy when we have had a lot of rain (and it&#8217;s been nearly incessant recently). I had to hitch up a chain to my ute to pull out a visitor&#8217;s car which had become stuck out of the grassy area the other day. Thank heavens the driver didn&#8217;t just gun it and hope for traction, because that car would have gone sideways over the cliff &amp; likely have landed upside down on Glossop Road.</p>
<p>There is another <a href="http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=33%C2%B043%2713.50%22S+150%C2%B029%2736.58%22E&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hnear=0x6b12635ee8668069:0x3a5d6c6184729495,-33%C2%B0+43%27+16.58%22,+%2B150%C2%B0+29%27+34.52%22&amp;gl=au&amp;t=m&amp;z=14" rel="nofollow">public access point</a> to the fire trail which you can find about 30m west of the intersection of Tollgate Drive and Railway Parade. There is a large sandy clearing right at the mouth of the fire trail where there is room to park at least 4-5 cars. This spot is not prone to becoming muddy. It is public land, along a power line easement corridor, so no one will give you any grief for parking there. You can walk straight on to the fire trail without having to contend with the normally overgrown Caley&#8217;s Repulse.</p>
<p>Also, since there&#8217;s been an increase in the numbers of bushwalkers on the fire trail, I&#8217;ve set up a WiFi access point in the back of my house (SSID DawesParkFreeWiFi) which will cover about 50m of the trail behind my house, for the use of anyone who needs it. 3G coverage up here is really poor, so please feel free to use it. You should find signal <a href="http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=+33%C2%B043%275.73%22S+150%C2%B029%2739.73%22E&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;sll=-33.71866,150.493351&amp;sspn=0.003284,0.004823&amp;gl=au&amp;t=m&amp;z=17" rel="nofollow">right around here</a>. There&#8217;s no password required, but please be kind to my 200Gb/month data allowance. A couple of Gb per day for visitors should be fine.</p>
<p>Also, should you be a twitterer, you can find me @weezmgk.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Brian</p>
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		<title>Comment on Galah Canyon: a glimpse of summer after a week of rain by Tim Vollmer</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/02/05/galah-canyon/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Vollmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry, our weather has been pretty bad too. It is probably the wettest summer I can remember. While that limits our trips a little, it has actually meant the canyons are looking prettier than normal because of the extra water flow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, our weather has been pretty bad too. It is probably the wettest summer I can remember. While that limits our trips a little, it has actually meant the canyons are looking prettier than normal because of the extra water flow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Canyoning footwear: 5.10 Canyoneer SAR versus the Dunlop Volley by Tim Vollmer</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/bush-guide/5-10-canyoneer-sar/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Vollmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s really interesting. Mike wore diving booties on our recent Coorongooba trip. He&#039;s been using them for years and they seem to have lasted very well. I don&#039;t recall him having any issues with grip. Like you it did mean carrying a second pair of shoes for the walk in and out, but they definitely seem like an interesting option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really interesting. Mike wore diving booties on our recent Coorongooba trip. He&#8217;s been using them for years and they seem to have lasted very well. I don&#8217;t recall him having any issues with grip. Like you it did mean carrying a second pair of shoes for the walk in and out, but they definitely seem like an interesting option.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Canyoning footwear: 5.10 Canyoneer SAR versus the Dunlop Volley by Adrian</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/bush-guide/5-10-canyoneer-sar/#comment-710</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been using diving booties  for a number of years now  and find they are excellent in the canyon. Good friction, more sturdy than Volleys, nice solid sole so I don&#039;t get bruised feet, nice and warm in the cold water and no sand ingress due to the tight neoprene.

Only negative is that I don&#039;t use them for walking on the trail or bush bashing so I use a second pair of lightweight runners. I might have to try them out on the trail to see how they go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using diving booties  for a number of years now  and find they are excellent in the canyon. Good friction, more sturdy than Volleys, nice solid sole so I don&#8217;t get bruised feet, nice and warm in the cold water and no sand ingress due to the tight neoprene.</p>
<p>Only negative is that I don&#8217;t use them for walking on the trail or bush bashing so I use a second pair of lightweight runners. I might have to try them out on the trail to see how they go.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Galah Canyon: a glimpse of summer after a week of rain by Canyoning Castellane</title>
		<link>http://fatcanyoners.org/2012/02/05/galah-canyon/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canyoning Castellane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very nice light on the first pictures !
They look very nice, and this pictures make me dreaming ...
In France, we have a very cold winter, and one meter of snow outdoor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice light on the first pictures !<br />
They look very nice, and this pictures make me dreaming &#8230;<br />
In France, we have a very cold winter, and one meter of snow outdoor.</p>
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